. at some point we need both parties to come together and tax this entitlement creep. we mention obama ape lot. he hasn't helped the numbers. but when you look at enment spending it goes up under a republican president. he can go in this and blame the republicans. >> i didn't know there was a entitlement creep. maybe i got you wrong. >> it is it an itch. >> and john, what about this. we have a budget if you can call it a budget that includes tax increases and no cuts at all from our treasury security. >> the tax increase aspect is ridickulous. we have a spending problem . you look at entitlements. i think it is i i don't they should exist. we did make promises and so the idea should not be cutting entitlements and those nearing retirement you will be made but those of you who are not congentitally socialist you can opt out and don't have to participate in medicare and social security. that's how you cut enments. >> by the way, that grole you heard when john said there was not a spending problem that came from rick and mark. rick, don't we have a spending problem at all. >> of course we do.